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Why has the US not been more assertive in confronting Russia in recent years?
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowWould Russia actually retaliate against a US led intervention in UkraineWhy does Russia try to stop Ukraine from approaching to the EUHas Russia damaged its reputation by lying?Has the world ever seen pure Communism?Are there constituencies for Russia to destroy and annex Israel?How exactly Russia benefits from recent terrorist strikes in Brussels?Who has more “diplomats”, Russia or the United States?Why was the North Atlantic Treaty's Article 5 not triggered in the 60s and 70s?What has been Russia's response to the US strikes on Syria?Why would the NATO not defend its members against Russia?Why the recent crackdown on rappers and other popular musicians in Russia?
Over the past few years, Russia seems to have been slipping back towards an authoritarian system of government, with Putin seemingly cementing his control of the country more and more. Along with this, Russia appears to have become increasingly hostile towards the West and emboldened/aggressive internationally. Some examples (not exhaustive) include:
- Annexation of Crimea
- Alleged use of cyber attacks to disrupt Western powers
- Military assertiveness to assist the incumbent regime in Syria
- Military assistance to prop up Maduro in Venezuela
So, why hasn't the US been more assertive in confronting and pushing back against this new period of Russian aggression?
It seems to me that, during the Cold War, the US was much more willing to confront the Soviet Union, which at the time was much more powerful than Russia currently is. It was also a nuclear-armed state, so the argument that the US is afraid of Russia's nukes doesn't seem to explain it.
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Over the past few years, Russia seems to have been slipping back towards an authoritarian system of government, with Putin seemingly cementing his control of the country more and more. Along with this, Russia appears to have become increasingly hostile towards the West and emboldened/aggressive internationally. Some examples (not exhaustive) include:
- Annexation of Crimea
- Alleged use of cyber attacks to disrupt Western powers
- Military assertiveness to assist the incumbent regime in Syria
- Military assistance to prop up Maduro in Venezuela
So, why hasn't the US been more assertive in confronting and pushing back against this new period of Russian aggression?
It seems to me that, during the Cold War, the US was much more willing to confront the Soviet Union, which at the time was much more powerful than Russia currently is. It was also a nuclear-armed state, so the argument that the US is afraid of Russia's nukes doesn't seem to explain it.
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Before someone tries to answer this question with conspiracy theories about Donald Trump being under control of Russia, note that all the examples mentioned in the question happened under Obama.
– Philipp♦
6 hours ago
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On what basis do you assume that US policy should be more aggressive than it is currently? Are you comparing US policy towards the Soviet Union during the Cold War to its current policy toward Russia? Or are you comparing with US policy toward other authoritarian countries?
– Brian Z
6 hours ago
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I don't see how this question is much better than, say politics.stackexchange.com/questions/7721/…
– Fizz
5 hours ago
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I don't think this is POB per se. Indeed, the US is a democratic country and much of the decision-making process is public (e.g. debates by politicians). An answer can certainly be based on that (to answer, ask yourself these questions: do politicians debate the issue(s)? What is the result of the debate there is? Are any issues in the news not debated by politicians?). @Fizz I think it's easier to analyse the American decision-making than it is to analyse the Russian process (even if you understand both countries' languages).
– JJJ
5 hours ago
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@Philipp: The Maduro assistance was within the past month, but otherwise you are correct.
– hszmv
4 hours ago
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Over the past few years, Russia seems to have been slipping back towards an authoritarian system of government, with Putin seemingly cementing his control of the country more and more. Along with this, Russia appears to have become increasingly hostile towards the West and emboldened/aggressive internationally. Some examples (not exhaustive) include:
- Annexation of Crimea
- Alleged use of cyber attacks to disrupt Western powers
- Military assertiveness to assist the incumbent regime in Syria
- Military assistance to prop up Maduro in Venezuela
So, why hasn't the US been more assertive in confronting and pushing back against this new period of Russian aggression?
It seems to me that, during the Cold War, the US was much more willing to confront the Soviet Union, which at the time was much more powerful than Russia currently is. It was also a nuclear-armed state, so the argument that the US is afraid of Russia's nukes doesn't seem to explain it.
united-states russian-federation geopolitics cold-war
Over the past few years, Russia seems to have been slipping back towards an authoritarian system of government, with Putin seemingly cementing his control of the country more and more. Along with this, Russia appears to have become increasingly hostile towards the West and emboldened/aggressive internationally. Some examples (not exhaustive) include:
- Annexation of Crimea
- Alleged use of cyber attacks to disrupt Western powers
- Military assertiveness to assist the incumbent regime in Syria
- Military assistance to prop up Maduro in Venezuela
So, why hasn't the US been more assertive in confronting and pushing back against this new period of Russian aggression?
It seems to me that, during the Cold War, the US was much more willing to confront the Soviet Union, which at the time was much more powerful than Russia currently is. It was also a nuclear-armed state, so the argument that the US is afraid of Russia's nukes doesn't seem to explain it.
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Before someone tries to answer this question with conspiracy theories about Donald Trump being under control of Russia, note that all the examples mentioned in the question happened under Obama.
– Philipp♦
6 hours ago
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On what basis do you assume that US policy should be more aggressive than it is currently? Are you comparing US policy towards the Soviet Union during the Cold War to its current policy toward Russia? Or are you comparing with US policy toward other authoritarian countries?
– Brian Z
6 hours ago
1
I don't see how this question is much better than, say politics.stackexchange.com/questions/7721/…
– Fizz
5 hours ago
2
I don't think this is POB per se. Indeed, the US is a democratic country and much of the decision-making process is public (e.g. debates by politicians). An answer can certainly be based on that (to answer, ask yourself these questions: do politicians debate the issue(s)? What is the result of the debate there is? Are any issues in the news not debated by politicians?). @Fizz I think it's easier to analyse the American decision-making than it is to analyse the Russian process (even if you understand both countries' languages).
– JJJ
5 hours ago
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@Philipp: The Maduro assistance was within the past month, but otherwise you are correct.
– hszmv
4 hours ago
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Before someone tries to answer this question with conspiracy theories about Donald Trump being under control of Russia, note that all the examples mentioned in the question happened under Obama.
– Philipp♦
6 hours ago
1
On what basis do you assume that US policy should be more aggressive than it is currently? Are you comparing US policy towards the Soviet Union during the Cold War to its current policy toward Russia? Or are you comparing with US policy toward other authoritarian countries?
– Brian Z
6 hours ago
1
I don't see how this question is much better than, say politics.stackexchange.com/questions/7721/…
– Fizz
5 hours ago
2
I don't think this is POB per se. Indeed, the US is a democratic country and much of the decision-making process is public (e.g. debates by politicians). An answer can certainly be based on that (to answer, ask yourself these questions: do politicians debate the issue(s)? What is the result of the debate there is? Are any issues in the news not debated by politicians?). @Fizz I think it's easier to analyse the American decision-making than it is to analyse the Russian process (even if you understand both countries' languages).
– JJJ
5 hours ago
4
@Philipp: The Maduro assistance was within the past month, but otherwise you are correct.
– hszmv
4 hours ago
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Before someone tries to answer this question with conspiracy theories about Donald Trump being under control of Russia, note that all the examples mentioned in the question happened under Obama.
– Philipp♦
6 hours ago
Before someone tries to answer this question with conspiracy theories about Donald Trump being under control of Russia, note that all the examples mentioned in the question happened under Obama.
– Philipp♦
6 hours ago
1
1
On what basis do you assume that US policy should be more aggressive than it is currently? Are you comparing US policy towards the Soviet Union during the Cold War to its current policy toward Russia? Or are you comparing with US policy toward other authoritarian countries?
– Brian Z
6 hours ago
On what basis do you assume that US policy should be more aggressive than it is currently? Are you comparing US policy towards the Soviet Union during the Cold War to its current policy toward Russia? Or are you comparing with US policy toward other authoritarian countries?
– Brian Z
6 hours ago
1
1
I don't see how this question is much better than, say politics.stackexchange.com/questions/7721/…
– Fizz
5 hours ago
I don't see how this question is much better than, say politics.stackexchange.com/questions/7721/…
– Fizz
5 hours ago
2
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I don't think this is POB per se. Indeed, the US is a democratic country and much of the decision-making process is public (e.g. debates by politicians). An answer can certainly be based on that (to answer, ask yourself these questions: do politicians debate the issue(s)? What is the result of the debate there is? Are any issues in the news not debated by politicians?). @Fizz I think it's easier to analyse the American decision-making than it is to analyse the Russian process (even if you understand both countries' languages).
– JJJ
5 hours ago
I don't think this is POB per se. Indeed, the US is a democratic country and much of the decision-making process is public (e.g. debates by politicians). An answer can certainly be based on that (to answer, ask yourself these questions: do politicians debate the issue(s)? What is the result of the debate there is? Are any issues in the news not debated by politicians?). @Fizz I think it's easier to analyse the American decision-making than it is to analyse the Russian process (even if you understand both countries' languages).
– JJJ
5 hours ago
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@Philipp: The Maduro assistance was within the past month, but otherwise you are correct.
– hszmv
4 hours ago
@Philipp: The Maduro assistance was within the past month, but otherwise you are correct.
– hszmv
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Numerous reasons. For start, the United States has been in a state of war since September 2001, and Obama was characterized by an avoidance of further war during his presidency (He is to date, the only U.S. President to have served his total presidency at War). There are many sentiments on both sides of the aisle that just want to avoid wars and strong anti-interventionalist movements (The Libertarian Right tends to be opposed to war for reasons other than defense of self or allies, the left just tends towards no wars period). This played a part in the Ukraine situation.
With the Syrian Civil war, the United States never loved the Syrian Government and by the time the idea was considered, the anti-government forces included terrorist organizations including remnants of Al-Quadia. The political sentiment moved from fighting a Russian backed Syrian Government to a policy more akin to the old man from the recent Godzilla movie "Let them fight." There's not much to be one by propting up an anti-U.S. rebellion movement fighting against an Anti-U.S. government forces.
The Maduro thing is relatively recent and the U.S. policy is to support the opposition leader over Maduro, so we'll have to wait and see. It doesn't help that Russia's active involvement occurred around the same time as a hurricane of domestic stories hit the U.S. (The Mueller Report's findings, the Avenatti arrest, and the Jessui Smollett charges being dropped) which have occupied most news network's general reporting.
The Cyber Security issues are hard to peg down, as they tend to be covertly dealt with so as to not reveal the new protections and better investigate. Because of this, it could be a great many battles are fought on this issue, but the battles are not discussed (The First Cold war was a very busy time for intelligence communities and could be said that it was a war of spies more than anything else... a great deal of winning that conflict was just gathering information on what the adversary was doing).
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+1 Especially for the last paragraph. Just because the U.S. isn't sending hundreds of thousands of troops to fight proxy wars doesn't mean it isn't doing anything with its intelligence community. While the U.S. intelligence community may not currently be as openly aggressive as the Russian or Chinese ones, it's still one of the largest (if not the largest) in the world and far from idle. But you won't hear about most of what it does until years or decades later, if ever.
– reirab
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The American electorate is extremely divided over ideological lines at the moment. During the Cold War there were still divisions, but we could generally all agree that Americans were always better to deal with than the Soviets. Now that is not the case. A substantial portion of the President's base aren't at all upset (in some instances even gleeful) that the Russians interfered in the American elections since they view that as helping "their side", while folks at the far end of the other side of the spectrum have made statements equating it to an act of war. In your question there is an underlying assumption: that Americans want to do something.
On that note we can't agree that anything should be done. Not in Ukraine, and very little agreement on Syria. Venezuela currently does have a bit more support for something to be done, which I believe is because the United States has historically regarded all of the Americas as under their sphere of influence. But the U.S. track record there has hindered our ability to build consensus with other regional partners (this Wikipedia article is also a pretty good read for this point).
I don't think the U.S. is becoming more tolerant of Russian hostility, our deep political divisions are keeping us from doing much about it and Russia is taking advantage of the circumstances. Combine this point with two long wars, and there's just not any support for using military options to act as a counter balance. The current U.S. mood is much more introspective at the moment (as a whole, definitely not on an individual level).
I like your point about the US becoming more introspective. That certainly seems to be the case.
– Time4Tea
3 hours ago
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This is a pretty broad question. If we ask more pointedly why Obama didn't intervene more in Ukraine... He told us that himself.
As Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic’s editor in chief, wrote in the Obama Doctrine: “Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.” Indeed, Obama told Jeff: “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do.” Despite their criticism of Obama, the Republican platform ahead of the 2016 presidential election didn’t call for U.S. weapons to be sent to Ukraine to fight Russian-backed rebels.
Now instead of vague comparisons with the cold war, I think a better one would be to ask why Roosevelt and Churchill gave up Eastern Europe to the Soviets. The answer is pretty similar, they didn't think they couldn't do much about it anyway nor did they have that much strategic interest there, unlike in Greece, where the opposite happened:
British interest in Greece was of long historical standing and
connected with its imperial foothold in the Near and Middle East, [...]
Moscow was prepared to abandon
Greece for the sake of tightening its grip on the rest of the Balkans. As
a result, the communist rebellion in Greece was doomed.
And of course, the US never gave up Latin and Central America (supporting coups there), which is not too unlike what Trump does now in Venezuela.
As for Syria, I'm not sure I can find an appropriate parallel during the cold war. (Lebanon maybe?) But after the Arab Spring in Libya, the West had lost appetite to support "moderate" islamists, only to find out that they weren't so moderate or hardly influential on the ground. And US strategic interest in Syria appears limited, compared to that of Turkey etc. At least public opinion seems to be that
President Barack Obama reiterated that the U.S. has “both a moral obligation and a national security interest in, A, ending the slaughter in Syria,” and in “ensuring that we’ve got a stable Syria that is representative of all the Syrian people, and is not creating chaos for its neighbors.”
But a New York Times/CBS opinion poll showed that almost two-thirds of Americans say the U.S. has no responsibility to address the fighting in Syria.
We'll see if the more pragmatic Trump sticks with the Kurds now that the main reason to support them (fight against ISIS) appears gone.
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During the Trump presidency, it's due to how the Constitution has divided power between Congress and the President.
Congress has very limited powers in international affairs:
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations...
To declare War...
Compare to the President's powers:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States...
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties...
...he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers...
In short, Congress has one thing they can do in response to Russian actions: they can impose economic sanctions. They've also got the power to declare war on Russia, but they don't have the ability to prosecute that war -- commanding the military is a power reserved for the President.
Compare that to the President's powers. He can negotiate diplomatic agreements either with Russia or with third parties. He can engage in military action short of war, including dispatching troops to countries threatened by Russia. He can cut off (or threaten to cut off) diplomatic relations.
The Constitution places almost all the power to confront a country in the hands of the President. With Trump favorably inclined towards Russia, that greatly limits what the rest of the country can do.
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Your last paragraph seems to imply the reason is to do with Trump being somewhat pro-Russia. However, as Philipp mentioned in the comments to the question, many of the examples given of US tolerance towards Russia occurred during Obama's term.
– Time4Tea
1 hour ago
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The other answers analyzed why there was tolerance towards Russia during Obama's term; I'm covering why that didn't change in the past two years.
– Mark
1 hour ago
Ok, in that case, I think it might improve your answer if you were to clarify that at the start - that you are specifically focusing on the Trump era. I agree that in the past couple of years, Trump's favor towards Russia has probably been a factor.
– Time4Tea
42 mins ago
Re:"Trump favorably inclined towards Russia". As usual, the anti-Trumpers are ignorant to the facts. Trump has been aggressive towards Russia but people who watch CNN/MSNBC and their comrades would never know because it is blasphemy to say anything even bordering on positive about Trump in those circles. See my answer for proof that your claim is absolutely false.
– Dunk
33 mins ago
As for the oft-repeated 'Trump is favorable towards Russia' misinformation. The fact is that Trump thought he could restore a good diplomatic relationship with Russia which was destroyed by the previous admin. Unfortunately, thanks to the fake-news witch-hunt; those behind the witch-hunt have destabilized the entire world as they prevented Trump from even giving the appearance that he wanted to fix the relationship. Yes, Trump wanted to fix the relationship with Russia but that doesn't make him a Russian operative nor inclined towards favoring Russia; it more so makes him a smart leader.
– Dunk
24 mins ago
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It took like 10 seconds to prove the premise of the question wrong if one were to look at US actions beginning in 2017.
Source: https://www.gop.com/trump-admins-tough-actions-against-russia-rsr/
Through Sanctions And Beefing Up NATO, The Trump Admin Has Held Russia Accountable For Hostile Actions
The Trump Administration has implemented a wide array of sanctions and other punitive actions against Russia for their destabilizing actions and provocations against the U.S. and its allies.
In response to Russian interference in the 2016 election and other malfeasance, the Trump Administration has sanctioned Russian oligarchs and intelligence entities.
Throughout 2017 and 2018, the U.S. sanctioned numerous Russian actors for violating non-proliferation laws by supporting weapons programs in Iran and Syria, and supporting North Korea's development of weapons of mass destruction.
The Trump Administration has issued sanctions against more than one hundred Russian actors and firms for Russia's destabilizing actions in Ukraine and its ongoing occupation of Crimea.
In March 2017, in response to Russia's use of a military-grade chemical weapon in the United Kingdom, the Trump Administration ordered multiple Russian consulates in the United States closed and expelled 60 Russian intelligence officers.
Due to sanctions imposed by the Trump Administration, the Russian economy and Russian geo-economic projects have been severely constrained.
In 2018, as Russian investors reacted to new sanctions, the Russian Ruble made its biggest fall in over three years, and, as of July 2018, is down nearly nine percent against the dollar.
As a part of its sanctions against Russia, the United States has prevented numerous companies from partnering with Russian offshore oil projects, denying these projects access to capital and key resources.
The Trump Administration has also opposed Russian President Vladimir Putin's largest geo-economic project, the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which could generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for Russia.
In the wake of Russian provocations, President Trump has exercised U.S. military power and worked to bolster U.S. allies in Europe.
In 2017, President Trump approved the sale of lethal weapons to Ukraine addressing the country's vulnerability to Russian-backed separatists in its eastern provinces.
Under the Trump Administration, Russian mercenaries and other pro-Syrian regime forces attacking U.S. troops in Syria were killed.
The U.S. has increased troops and its military capability in Eastern Europe and dramatically increased training and drills with its NATO partners.
In 2018, the U.S. Department of Defense increased its spending as part of the European Deterrence Initiative by $1.4 billion dollars.
Due to pressure from President Trump, U.S.' NATO allies have increased defense expenditures by five percent.
I didn't read the entire post and this information might be there but Russia has threatened to build high-speed missiles, Trump has told them if they do then he'll be deploying missiles and ramping up troops of his own right on the Russian border.
It is clear that at least for the last 2 years, the premise of the question that the US has not be assertive nor confronted Russia is not true.
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The question is not whether the U.S. has confronted Russia at all, but rather why it hasn't been more assertive in doing so. Also, I wouldn't exactly call a GOP press release the most reliable of sources on the matter. It may contain some useful information, but it would be much better to find it from a less biased and/or more definitive source.
– reirab
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I'm not suggesting that the US has done nothing, or that Trump has done less than Obama (honestly, I'm not trying to pitch this as anti-Trump). However, it seems to me there has been a lack of conviction in general on the part of the US, which is shown by the fact that, in many of these conflicts, Russia is winning /has won. They took Crimea and Ukraine isn't going to get it back. They have won in Syria, as Assad has effectively won the war there. I don't think the US during the Cold War would have 'looked the other way' and given the USSR so many 'easy victories'.
– Time4Tea
21 mins ago
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@reirab yes, precisely my point. The US did something, but not enough to affect the outcome. The situation in Venezuela is still unfolding, and perhaps we will see the US be more assertive there.
– Time4Tea
19 mins ago
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Numerous reasons. For start, the United States has been in a state of war since September 2001, and Obama was characterized by an avoidance of further war during his presidency (He is to date, the only U.S. President to have served his total presidency at War). There are many sentiments on both sides of the aisle that just want to avoid wars and strong anti-interventionalist movements (The Libertarian Right tends to be opposed to war for reasons other than defense of self or allies, the left just tends towards no wars period). This played a part in the Ukraine situation.
With the Syrian Civil war, the United States never loved the Syrian Government and by the time the idea was considered, the anti-government forces included terrorist organizations including remnants of Al-Quadia. The political sentiment moved from fighting a Russian backed Syrian Government to a policy more akin to the old man from the recent Godzilla movie "Let them fight." There's not much to be one by propting up an anti-U.S. rebellion movement fighting against an Anti-U.S. government forces.
The Maduro thing is relatively recent and the U.S. policy is to support the opposition leader over Maduro, so we'll have to wait and see. It doesn't help that Russia's active involvement occurred around the same time as a hurricane of domestic stories hit the U.S. (The Mueller Report's findings, the Avenatti arrest, and the Jessui Smollett charges being dropped) which have occupied most news network's general reporting.
The Cyber Security issues are hard to peg down, as they tend to be covertly dealt with so as to not reveal the new protections and better investigate. Because of this, it could be a great many battles are fought on this issue, but the battles are not discussed (The First Cold war was a very busy time for intelligence communities and could be said that it was a war of spies more than anything else... a great deal of winning that conflict was just gathering information on what the adversary was doing).
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+1 Especially for the last paragraph. Just because the U.S. isn't sending hundreds of thousands of troops to fight proxy wars doesn't mean it isn't doing anything with its intelligence community. While the U.S. intelligence community may not currently be as openly aggressive as the Russian or Chinese ones, it's still one of the largest (if not the largest) in the world and far from idle. But you won't hear about most of what it does until years or decades later, if ever.
– reirab
35 mins ago
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Numerous reasons. For start, the United States has been in a state of war since September 2001, and Obama was characterized by an avoidance of further war during his presidency (He is to date, the only U.S. President to have served his total presidency at War). There are many sentiments on both sides of the aisle that just want to avoid wars and strong anti-interventionalist movements (The Libertarian Right tends to be opposed to war for reasons other than defense of self or allies, the left just tends towards no wars period). This played a part in the Ukraine situation.
With the Syrian Civil war, the United States never loved the Syrian Government and by the time the idea was considered, the anti-government forces included terrorist organizations including remnants of Al-Quadia. The political sentiment moved from fighting a Russian backed Syrian Government to a policy more akin to the old man from the recent Godzilla movie "Let them fight." There's not much to be one by propting up an anti-U.S. rebellion movement fighting against an Anti-U.S. government forces.
The Maduro thing is relatively recent and the U.S. policy is to support the opposition leader over Maduro, so we'll have to wait and see. It doesn't help that Russia's active involvement occurred around the same time as a hurricane of domestic stories hit the U.S. (The Mueller Report's findings, the Avenatti arrest, and the Jessui Smollett charges being dropped) which have occupied most news network's general reporting.
The Cyber Security issues are hard to peg down, as they tend to be covertly dealt with so as to not reveal the new protections and better investigate. Because of this, it could be a great many battles are fought on this issue, but the battles are not discussed (The First Cold war was a very busy time for intelligence communities and could be said that it was a war of spies more than anything else... a great deal of winning that conflict was just gathering information on what the adversary was doing).
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+1 Especially for the last paragraph. Just because the U.S. isn't sending hundreds of thousands of troops to fight proxy wars doesn't mean it isn't doing anything with its intelligence community. While the U.S. intelligence community may not currently be as openly aggressive as the Russian or Chinese ones, it's still one of the largest (if not the largest) in the world and far from idle. But you won't hear about most of what it does until years or decades later, if ever.
– reirab
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Numerous reasons. For start, the United States has been in a state of war since September 2001, and Obama was characterized by an avoidance of further war during his presidency (He is to date, the only U.S. President to have served his total presidency at War). There are many sentiments on both sides of the aisle that just want to avoid wars and strong anti-interventionalist movements (The Libertarian Right tends to be opposed to war for reasons other than defense of self or allies, the left just tends towards no wars period). This played a part in the Ukraine situation.
With the Syrian Civil war, the United States never loved the Syrian Government and by the time the idea was considered, the anti-government forces included terrorist organizations including remnants of Al-Quadia. The political sentiment moved from fighting a Russian backed Syrian Government to a policy more akin to the old man from the recent Godzilla movie "Let them fight." There's not much to be one by propting up an anti-U.S. rebellion movement fighting against an Anti-U.S. government forces.
The Maduro thing is relatively recent and the U.S. policy is to support the opposition leader over Maduro, so we'll have to wait and see. It doesn't help that Russia's active involvement occurred around the same time as a hurricane of domestic stories hit the U.S. (The Mueller Report's findings, the Avenatti arrest, and the Jessui Smollett charges being dropped) which have occupied most news network's general reporting.
The Cyber Security issues are hard to peg down, as they tend to be covertly dealt with so as to not reveal the new protections and better investigate. Because of this, it could be a great many battles are fought on this issue, but the battles are not discussed (The First Cold war was a very busy time for intelligence communities and could be said that it was a war of spies more than anything else... a great deal of winning that conflict was just gathering information on what the adversary was doing).
Numerous reasons. For start, the United States has been in a state of war since September 2001, and Obama was characterized by an avoidance of further war during his presidency (He is to date, the only U.S. President to have served his total presidency at War). There are many sentiments on both sides of the aisle that just want to avoid wars and strong anti-interventionalist movements (The Libertarian Right tends to be opposed to war for reasons other than defense of self or allies, the left just tends towards no wars period). This played a part in the Ukraine situation.
With the Syrian Civil war, the United States never loved the Syrian Government and by the time the idea was considered, the anti-government forces included terrorist organizations including remnants of Al-Quadia. The political sentiment moved from fighting a Russian backed Syrian Government to a policy more akin to the old man from the recent Godzilla movie "Let them fight." There's not much to be one by propting up an anti-U.S. rebellion movement fighting against an Anti-U.S. government forces.
The Maduro thing is relatively recent and the U.S. policy is to support the opposition leader over Maduro, so we'll have to wait and see. It doesn't help that Russia's active involvement occurred around the same time as a hurricane of domestic stories hit the U.S. (The Mueller Report's findings, the Avenatti arrest, and the Jessui Smollett charges being dropped) which have occupied most news network's general reporting.
The Cyber Security issues are hard to peg down, as they tend to be covertly dealt with so as to not reveal the new protections and better investigate. Because of this, it could be a great many battles are fought on this issue, but the battles are not discussed (The First Cold war was a very busy time for intelligence communities and could be said that it was a war of spies more than anything else... a great deal of winning that conflict was just gathering information on what the adversary was doing).
answered 4 hours ago
hszmvhszmv
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+1 Especially for the last paragraph. Just because the U.S. isn't sending hundreds of thousands of troops to fight proxy wars doesn't mean it isn't doing anything with its intelligence community. While the U.S. intelligence community may not currently be as openly aggressive as the Russian or Chinese ones, it's still one of the largest (if not the largest) in the world and far from idle. But you won't hear about most of what it does until years or decades later, if ever.
– reirab
35 mins ago
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+1 Especially for the last paragraph. Just because the U.S. isn't sending hundreds of thousands of troops to fight proxy wars doesn't mean it isn't doing anything with its intelligence community. While the U.S. intelligence community may not currently be as openly aggressive as the Russian or Chinese ones, it's still one of the largest (if not the largest) in the world and far from idle. But you won't hear about most of what it does until years or decades later, if ever.
– reirab
35 mins ago
1
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+1 Especially for the last paragraph. Just because the U.S. isn't sending hundreds of thousands of troops to fight proxy wars doesn't mean it isn't doing anything with its intelligence community. While the U.S. intelligence community may not currently be as openly aggressive as the Russian or Chinese ones, it's still one of the largest (if not the largest) in the world and far from idle. But you won't hear about most of what it does until years or decades later, if ever.
– reirab
35 mins ago
+1 Especially for the last paragraph. Just because the U.S. isn't sending hundreds of thousands of troops to fight proxy wars doesn't mean it isn't doing anything with its intelligence community. While the U.S. intelligence community may not currently be as openly aggressive as the Russian or Chinese ones, it's still one of the largest (if not the largest) in the world and far from idle. But you won't hear about most of what it does until years or decades later, if ever.
– reirab
35 mins ago
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The American electorate is extremely divided over ideological lines at the moment. During the Cold War there were still divisions, but we could generally all agree that Americans were always better to deal with than the Soviets. Now that is not the case. A substantial portion of the President's base aren't at all upset (in some instances even gleeful) that the Russians interfered in the American elections since they view that as helping "their side", while folks at the far end of the other side of the spectrum have made statements equating it to an act of war. In your question there is an underlying assumption: that Americans want to do something.
On that note we can't agree that anything should be done. Not in Ukraine, and very little agreement on Syria. Venezuela currently does have a bit more support for something to be done, which I believe is because the United States has historically regarded all of the Americas as under their sphere of influence. But the U.S. track record there has hindered our ability to build consensus with other regional partners (this Wikipedia article is also a pretty good read for this point).
I don't think the U.S. is becoming more tolerant of Russian hostility, our deep political divisions are keeping us from doing much about it and Russia is taking advantage of the circumstances. Combine this point with two long wars, and there's just not any support for using military options to act as a counter balance. The current U.S. mood is much more introspective at the moment (as a whole, definitely not on an individual level).
I like your point about the US becoming more introspective. That certainly seems to be the case.
– Time4Tea
3 hours ago
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The American electorate is extremely divided over ideological lines at the moment. During the Cold War there were still divisions, but we could generally all agree that Americans were always better to deal with than the Soviets. Now that is not the case. A substantial portion of the President's base aren't at all upset (in some instances even gleeful) that the Russians interfered in the American elections since they view that as helping "their side", while folks at the far end of the other side of the spectrum have made statements equating it to an act of war. In your question there is an underlying assumption: that Americans want to do something.
On that note we can't agree that anything should be done. Not in Ukraine, and very little agreement on Syria. Venezuela currently does have a bit more support for something to be done, which I believe is because the United States has historically regarded all of the Americas as under their sphere of influence. But the U.S. track record there has hindered our ability to build consensus with other regional partners (this Wikipedia article is also a pretty good read for this point).
I don't think the U.S. is becoming more tolerant of Russian hostility, our deep political divisions are keeping us from doing much about it and Russia is taking advantage of the circumstances. Combine this point with two long wars, and there's just not any support for using military options to act as a counter balance. The current U.S. mood is much more introspective at the moment (as a whole, definitely not on an individual level).
I like your point about the US becoming more introspective. That certainly seems to be the case.
– Time4Tea
3 hours ago
add a comment |
The American electorate is extremely divided over ideological lines at the moment. During the Cold War there were still divisions, but we could generally all agree that Americans were always better to deal with than the Soviets. Now that is not the case. A substantial portion of the President's base aren't at all upset (in some instances even gleeful) that the Russians interfered in the American elections since they view that as helping "their side", while folks at the far end of the other side of the spectrum have made statements equating it to an act of war. In your question there is an underlying assumption: that Americans want to do something.
On that note we can't agree that anything should be done. Not in Ukraine, and very little agreement on Syria. Venezuela currently does have a bit more support for something to be done, which I believe is because the United States has historically regarded all of the Americas as under their sphere of influence. But the U.S. track record there has hindered our ability to build consensus with other regional partners (this Wikipedia article is also a pretty good read for this point).
I don't think the U.S. is becoming more tolerant of Russian hostility, our deep political divisions are keeping us from doing much about it and Russia is taking advantage of the circumstances. Combine this point with two long wars, and there's just not any support for using military options to act as a counter balance. The current U.S. mood is much more introspective at the moment (as a whole, definitely not on an individual level).
The American electorate is extremely divided over ideological lines at the moment. During the Cold War there were still divisions, but we could generally all agree that Americans were always better to deal with than the Soviets. Now that is not the case. A substantial portion of the President's base aren't at all upset (in some instances even gleeful) that the Russians interfered in the American elections since they view that as helping "their side", while folks at the far end of the other side of the spectrum have made statements equating it to an act of war. In your question there is an underlying assumption: that Americans want to do something.
On that note we can't agree that anything should be done. Not in Ukraine, and very little agreement on Syria. Venezuela currently does have a bit more support for something to be done, which I believe is because the United States has historically regarded all of the Americas as under their sphere of influence. But the U.S. track record there has hindered our ability to build consensus with other regional partners (this Wikipedia article is also a pretty good read for this point).
I don't think the U.S. is becoming more tolerant of Russian hostility, our deep political divisions are keeping us from doing much about it and Russia is taking advantage of the circumstances. Combine this point with two long wars, and there's just not any support for using military options to act as a counter balance. The current U.S. mood is much more introspective at the moment (as a whole, definitely not on an individual level).
answered 3 hours ago
Jeff LambertJeff Lambert
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I like your point about the US becoming more introspective. That certainly seems to be the case.
– Time4Tea
3 hours ago
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I like your point about the US becoming more introspective. That certainly seems to be the case.
– Time4Tea
3 hours ago
I like your point about the US becoming more introspective. That certainly seems to be the case.
– Time4Tea
3 hours ago
I like your point about the US becoming more introspective. That certainly seems to be the case.
– Time4Tea
3 hours ago
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This is a pretty broad question. If we ask more pointedly why Obama didn't intervene more in Ukraine... He told us that himself.
As Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic’s editor in chief, wrote in the Obama Doctrine: “Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.” Indeed, Obama told Jeff: “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do.” Despite their criticism of Obama, the Republican platform ahead of the 2016 presidential election didn’t call for U.S. weapons to be sent to Ukraine to fight Russian-backed rebels.
Now instead of vague comparisons with the cold war, I think a better one would be to ask why Roosevelt and Churchill gave up Eastern Europe to the Soviets. The answer is pretty similar, they didn't think they couldn't do much about it anyway nor did they have that much strategic interest there, unlike in Greece, where the opposite happened:
British interest in Greece was of long historical standing and
connected with its imperial foothold in the Near and Middle East, [...]
Moscow was prepared to abandon
Greece for the sake of tightening its grip on the rest of the Balkans. As
a result, the communist rebellion in Greece was doomed.
And of course, the US never gave up Latin and Central America (supporting coups there), which is not too unlike what Trump does now in Venezuela.
As for Syria, I'm not sure I can find an appropriate parallel during the cold war. (Lebanon maybe?) But after the Arab Spring in Libya, the West had lost appetite to support "moderate" islamists, only to find out that they weren't so moderate or hardly influential on the ground. And US strategic interest in Syria appears limited, compared to that of Turkey etc. At least public opinion seems to be that
President Barack Obama reiterated that the U.S. has “both a moral obligation and a national security interest in, A, ending the slaughter in Syria,” and in “ensuring that we’ve got a stable Syria that is representative of all the Syrian people, and is not creating chaos for its neighbors.”
But a New York Times/CBS opinion poll showed that almost two-thirds of Americans say the U.S. has no responsibility to address the fighting in Syria.
We'll see if the more pragmatic Trump sticks with the Kurds now that the main reason to support them (fight against ISIS) appears gone.
add a comment |
This is a pretty broad question. If we ask more pointedly why Obama didn't intervene more in Ukraine... He told us that himself.
As Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic’s editor in chief, wrote in the Obama Doctrine: “Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.” Indeed, Obama told Jeff: “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do.” Despite their criticism of Obama, the Republican platform ahead of the 2016 presidential election didn’t call for U.S. weapons to be sent to Ukraine to fight Russian-backed rebels.
Now instead of vague comparisons with the cold war, I think a better one would be to ask why Roosevelt and Churchill gave up Eastern Europe to the Soviets. The answer is pretty similar, they didn't think they couldn't do much about it anyway nor did they have that much strategic interest there, unlike in Greece, where the opposite happened:
British interest in Greece was of long historical standing and
connected with its imperial foothold in the Near and Middle East, [...]
Moscow was prepared to abandon
Greece for the sake of tightening its grip on the rest of the Balkans. As
a result, the communist rebellion in Greece was doomed.
And of course, the US never gave up Latin and Central America (supporting coups there), which is not too unlike what Trump does now in Venezuela.
As for Syria, I'm not sure I can find an appropriate parallel during the cold war. (Lebanon maybe?) But after the Arab Spring in Libya, the West had lost appetite to support "moderate" islamists, only to find out that they weren't so moderate or hardly influential on the ground. And US strategic interest in Syria appears limited, compared to that of Turkey etc. At least public opinion seems to be that
President Barack Obama reiterated that the U.S. has “both a moral obligation and a national security interest in, A, ending the slaughter in Syria,” and in “ensuring that we’ve got a stable Syria that is representative of all the Syrian people, and is not creating chaos for its neighbors.”
But a New York Times/CBS opinion poll showed that almost two-thirds of Americans say the U.S. has no responsibility to address the fighting in Syria.
We'll see if the more pragmatic Trump sticks with the Kurds now that the main reason to support them (fight against ISIS) appears gone.
add a comment |
This is a pretty broad question. If we ask more pointedly why Obama didn't intervene more in Ukraine... He told us that himself.
As Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic’s editor in chief, wrote in the Obama Doctrine: “Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.” Indeed, Obama told Jeff: “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do.” Despite their criticism of Obama, the Republican platform ahead of the 2016 presidential election didn’t call for U.S. weapons to be sent to Ukraine to fight Russian-backed rebels.
Now instead of vague comparisons with the cold war, I think a better one would be to ask why Roosevelt and Churchill gave up Eastern Europe to the Soviets. The answer is pretty similar, they didn't think they couldn't do much about it anyway nor did they have that much strategic interest there, unlike in Greece, where the opposite happened:
British interest in Greece was of long historical standing and
connected with its imperial foothold in the Near and Middle East, [...]
Moscow was prepared to abandon
Greece for the sake of tightening its grip on the rest of the Balkans. As
a result, the communist rebellion in Greece was doomed.
And of course, the US never gave up Latin and Central America (supporting coups there), which is not too unlike what Trump does now in Venezuela.
As for Syria, I'm not sure I can find an appropriate parallel during the cold war. (Lebanon maybe?) But after the Arab Spring in Libya, the West had lost appetite to support "moderate" islamists, only to find out that they weren't so moderate or hardly influential on the ground. And US strategic interest in Syria appears limited, compared to that of Turkey etc. At least public opinion seems to be that
President Barack Obama reiterated that the U.S. has “both a moral obligation and a national security interest in, A, ending the slaughter in Syria,” and in “ensuring that we’ve got a stable Syria that is representative of all the Syrian people, and is not creating chaos for its neighbors.”
But a New York Times/CBS opinion poll showed that almost two-thirds of Americans say the U.S. has no responsibility to address the fighting in Syria.
We'll see if the more pragmatic Trump sticks with the Kurds now that the main reason to support them (fight against ISIS) appears gone.
This is a pretty broad question. If we ask more pointedly why Obama didn't intervene more in Ukraine... He told us that himself.
As Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic’s editor in chief, wrote in the Obama Doctrine: “Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.” Indeed, Obama told Jeff: “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do.” Despite their criticism of Obama, the Republican platform ahead of the 2016 presidential election didn’t call for U.S. weapons to be sent to Ukraine to fight Russian-backed rebels.
Now instead of vague comparisons with the cold war, I think a better one would be to ask why Roosevelt and Churchill gave up Eastern Europe to the Soviets. The answer is pretty similar, they didn't think they couldn't do much about it anyway nor did they have that much strategic interest there, unlike in Greece, where the opposite happened:
British interest in Greece was of long historical standing and
connected with its imperial foothold in the Near and Middle East, [...]
Moscow was prepared to abandon
Greece for the sake of tightening its grip on the rest of the Balkans. As
a result, the communist rebellion in Greece was doomed.
And of course, the US never gave up Latin and Central America (supporting coups there), which is not too unlike what Trump does now in Venezuela.
As for Syria, I'm not sure I can find an appropriate parallel during the cold war. (Lebanon maybe?) But after the Arab Spring in Libya, the West had lost appetite to support "moderate" islamists, only to find out that they weren't so moderate or hardly influential on the ground. And US strategic interest in Syria appears limited, compared to that of Turkey etc. At least public opinion seems to be that
President Barack Obama reiterated that the U.S. has “both a moral obligation and a national security interest in, A, ending the slaughter in Syria,” and in “ensuring that we’ve got a stable Syria that is representative of all the Syrian people, and is not creating chaos for its neighbors.”
But a New York Times/CBS opinion poll showed that almost two-thirds of Americans say the U.S. has no responsibility to address the fighting in Syria.
We'll see if the more pragmatic Trump sticks with the Kurds now that the main reason to support them (fight against ISIS) appears gone.
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answered 4 hours ago
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During the Trump presidency, it's due to how the Constitution has divided power between Congress and the President.
Congress has very limited powers in international affairs:
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations...
To declare War...
Compare to the President's powers:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States...
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties...
...he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers...
In short, Congress has one thing they can do in response to Russian actions: they can impose economic sanctions. They've also got the power to declare war on Russia, but they don't have the ability to prosecute that war -- commanding the military is a power reserved for the President.
Compare that to the President's powers. He can negotiate diplomatic agreements either with Russia or with third parties. He can engage in military action short of war, including dispatching troops to countries threatened by Russia. He can cut off (or threaten to cut off) diplomatic relations.
The Constitution places almost all the power to confront a country in the hands of the President. With Trump favorably inclined towards Russia, that greatly limits what the rest of the country can do.
1
Your last paragraph seems to imply the reason is to do with Trump being somewhat pro-Russia. However, as Philipp mentioned in the comments to the question, many of the examples given of US tolerance towards Russia occurred during Obama's term.
– Time4Tea
1 hour ago
1
The other answers analyzed why there was tolerance towards Russia during Obama's term; I'm covering why that didn't change in the past two years.
– Mark
1 hour ago
Ok, in that case, I think it might improve your answer if you were to clarify that at the start - that you are specifically focusing on the Trump era. I agree that in the past couple of years, Trump's favor towards Russia has probably been a factor.
– Time4Tea
42 mins ago
Re:"Trump favorably inclined towards Russia". As usual, the anti-Trumpers are ignorant to the facts. Trump has been aggressive towards Russia but people who watch CNN/MSNBC and their comrades would never know because it is blasphemy to say anything even bordering on positive about Trump in those circles. See my answer for proof that your claim is absolutely false.
– Dunk
33 mins ago
As for the oft-repeated 'Trump is favorable towards Russia' misinformation. The fact is that Trump thought he could restore a good diplomatic relationship with Russia which was destroyed by the previous admin. Unfortunately, thanks to the fake-news witch-hunt; those behind the witch-hunt have destabilized the entire world as they prevented Trump from even giving the appearance that he wanted to fix the relationship. Yes, Trump wanted to fix the relationship with Russia but that doesn't make him a Russian operative nor inclined towards favoring Russia; it more so makes him a smart leader.
– Dunk
24 mins ago
add a comment |
During the Trump presidency, it's due to how the Constitution has divided power between Congress and the President.
Congress has very limited powers in international affairs:
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations...
To declare War...
Compare to the President's powers:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States...
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties...
...he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers...
In short, Congress has one thing they can do in response to Russian actions: they can impose economic sanctions. They've also got the power to declare war on Russia, but they don't have the ability to prosecute that war -- commanding the military is a power reserved for the President.
Compare that to the President's powers. He can negotiate diplomatic agreements either with Russia or with third parties. He can engage in military action short of war, including dispatching troops to countries threatened by Russia. He can cut off (or threaten to cut off) diplomatic relations.
The Constitution places almost all the power to confront a country in the hands of the President. With Trump favorably inclined towards Russia, that greatly limits what the rest of the country can do.
1
Your last paragraph seems to imply the reason is to do with Trump being somewhat pro-Russia. However, as Philipp mentioned in the comments to the question, many of the examples given of US tolerance towards Russia occurred during Obama's term.
– Time4Tea
1 hour ago
1
The other answers analyzed why there was tolerance towards Russia during Obama's term; I'm covering why that didn't change in the past two years.
– Mark
1 hour ago
Ok, in that case, I think it might improve your answer if you were to clarify that at the start - that you are specifically focusing on the Trump era. I agree that in the past couple of years, Trump's favor towards Russia has probably been a factor.
– Time4Tea
42 mins ago
Re:"Trump favorably inclined towards Russia". As usual, the anti-Trumpers are ignorant to the facts. Trump has been aggressive towards Russia but people who watch CNN/MSNBC and their comrades would never know because it is blasphemy to say anything even bordering on positive about Trump in those circles. See my answer for proof that your claim is absolutely false.
– Dunk
33 mins ago
As for the oft-repeated 'Trump is favorable towards Russia' misinformation. The fact is that Trump thought he could restore a good diplomatic relationship with Russia which was destroyed by the previous admin. Unfortunately, thanks to the fake-news witch-hunt; those behind the witch-hunt have destabilized the entire world as they prevented Trump from even giving the appearance that he wanted to fix the relationship. Yes, Trump wanted to fix the relationship with Russia but that doesn't make him a Russian operative nor inclined towards favoring Russia; it more so makes him a smart leader.
– Dunk
24 mins ago
add a comment |
During the Trump presidency, it's due to how the Constitution has divided power between Congress and the President.
Congress has very limited powers in international affairs:
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations...
To declare War...
Compare to the President's powers:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States...
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties...
...he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers...
In short, Congress has one thing they can do in response to Russian actions: they can impose economic sanctions. They've also got the power to declare war on Russia, but they don't have the ability to prosecute that war -- commanding the military is a power reserved for the President.
Compare that to the President's powers. He can negotiate diplomatic agreements either with Russia or with third parties. He can engage in military action short of war, including dispatching troops to countries threatened by Russia. He can cut off (or threaten to cut off) diplomatic relations.
The Constitution places almost all the power to confront a country in the hands of the President. With Trump favorably inclined towards Russia, that greatly limits what the rest of the country can do.
During the Trump presidency, it's due to how the Constitution has divided power between Congress and the President.
Congress has very limited powers in international affairs:
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations...
To declare War...
Compare to the President's powers:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States...
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties...
...he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers...
In short, Congress has one thing they can do in response to Russian actions: they can impose economic sanctions. They've also got the power to declare war on Russia, but they don't have the ability to prosecute that war -- commanding the military is a power reserved for the President.
Compare that to the President's powers. He can negotiate diplomatic agreements either with Russia or with third parties. He can engage in military action short of war, including dispatching troops to countries threatened by Russia. He can cut off (or threaten to cut off) diplomatic relations.
The Constitution places almost all the power to confront a country in the hands of the President. With Trump favorably inclined towards Russia, that greatly limits what the rest of the country can do.
edited 40 mins ago
answered 1 hour ago
MarkMark
1,020414
1,020414
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Your last paragraph seems to imply the reason is to do with Trump being somewhat pro-Russia. However, as Philipp mentioned in the comments to the question, many of the examples given of US tolerance towards Russia occurred during Obama's term.
– Time4Tea
1 hour ago
1
The other answers analyzed why there was tolerance towards Russia during Obama's term; I'm covering why that didn't change in the past two years.
– Mark
1 hour ago
Ok, in that case, I think it might improve your answer if you were to clarify that at the start - that you are specifically focusing on the Trump era. I agree that in the past couple of years, Trump's favor towards Russia has probably been a factor.
– Time4Tea
42 mins ago
Re:"Trump favorably inclined towards Russia". As usual, the anti-Trumpers are ignorant to the facts. Trump has been aggressive towards Russia but people who watch CNN/MSNBC and their comrades would never know because it is blasphemy to say anything even bordering on positive about Trump in those circles. See my answer for proof that your claim is absolutely false.
– Dunk
33 mins ago
As for the oft-repeated 'Trump is favorable towards Russia' misinformation. The fact is that Trump thought he could restore a good diplomatic relationship with Russia which was destroyed by the previous admin. Unfortunately, thanks to the fake-news witch-hunt; those behind the witch-hunt have destabilized the entire world as they prevented Trump from even giving the appearance that he wanted to fix the relationship. Yes, Trump wanted to fix the relationship with Russia but that doesn't make him a Russian operative nor inclined towards favoring Russia; it more so makes him a smart leader.
– Dunk
24 mins ago
add a comment |
1
Your last paragraph seems to imply the reason is to do with Trump being somewhat pro-Russia. However, as Philipp mentioned in the comments to the question, many of the examples given of US tolerance towards Russia occurred during Obama's term.
– Time4Tea
1 hour ago
1
The other answers analyzed why there was tolerance towards Russia during Obama's term; I'm covering why that didn't change in the past two years.
– Mark
1 hour ago
Ok, in that case, I think it might improve your answer if you were to clarify that at the start - that you are specifically focusing on the Trump era. I agree that in the past couple of years, Trump's favor towards Russia has probably been a factor.
– Time4Tea
42 mins ago
Re:"Trump favorably inclined towards Russia". As usual, the anti-Trumpers are ignorant to the facts. Trump has been aggressive towards Russia but people who watch CNN/MSNBC and their comrades would never know because it is blasphemy to say anything even bordering on positive about Trump in those circles. See my answer for proof that your claim is absolutely false.
– Dunk
33 mins ago
As for the oft-repeated 'Trump is favorable towards Russia' misinformation. The fact is that Trump thought he could restore a good diplomatic relationship with Russia which was destroyed by the previous admin. Unfortunately, thanks to the fake-news witch-hunt; those behind the witch-hunt have destabilized the entire world as they prevented Trump from even giving the appearance that he wanted to fix the relationship. Yes, Trump wanted to fix the relationship with Russia but that doesn't make him a Russian operative nor inclined towards favoring Russia; it more so makes him a smart leader.
– Dunk
24 mins ago
1
1
Your last paragraph seems to imply the reason is to do with Trump being somewhat pro-Russia. However, as Philipp mentioned in the comments to the question, many of the examples given of US tolerance towards Russia occurred during Obama's term.
– Time4Tea
1 hour ago
Your last paragraph seems to imply the reason is to do with Trump being somewhat pro-Russia. However, as Philipp mentioned in the comments to the question, many of the examples given of US tolerance towards Russia occurred during Obama's term.
– Time4Tea
1 hour ago
1
1
The other answers analyzed why there was tolerance towards Russia during Obama's term; I'm covering why that didn't change in the past two years.
– Mark
1 hour ago
The other answers analyzed why there was tolerance towards Russia during Obama's term; I'm covering why that didn't change in the past two years.
– Mark
1 hour ago
Ok, in that case, I think it might improve your answer if you were to clarify that at the start - that you are specifically focusing on the Trump era. I agree that in the past couple of years, Trump's favor towards Russia has probably been a factor.
– Time4Tea
42 mins ago
Ok, in that case, I think it might improve your answer if you were to clarify that at the start - that you are specifically focusing on the Trump era. I agree that in the past couple of years, Trump's favor towards Russia has probably been a factor.
– Time4Tea
42 mins ago
Re:"Trump favorably inclined towards Russia". As usual, the anti-Trumpers are ignorant to the facts. Trump has been aggressive towards Russia but people who watch CNN/MSNBC and their comrades would never know because it is blasphemy to say anything even bordering on positive about Trump in those circles. See my answer for proof that your claim is absolutely false.
– Dunk
33 mins ago
Re:"Trump favorably inclined towards Russia". As usual, the anti-Trumpers are ignorant to the facts. Trump has been aggressive towards Russia but people who watch CNN/MSNBC and their comrades would never know because it is blasphemy to say anything even bordering on positive about Trump in those circles. See my answer for proof that your claim is absolutely false.
– Dunk
33 mins ago
As for the oft-repeated 'Trump is favorable towards Russia' misinformation. The fact is that Trump thought he could restore a good diplomatic relationship with Russia which was destroyed by the previous admin. Unfortunately, thanks to the fake-news witch-hunt; those behind the witch-hunt have destabilized the entire world as they prevented Trump from even giving the appearance that he wanted to fix the relationship. Yes, Trump wanted to fix the relationship with Russia but that doesn't make him a Russian operative nor inclined towards favoring Russia; it more so makes him a smart leader.
– Dunk
24 mins ago
As for the oft-repeated 'Trump is favorable towards Russia' misinformation. The fact is that Trump thought he could restore a good diplomatic relationship with Russia which was destroyed by the previous admin. Unfortunately, thanks to the fake-news witch-hunt; those behind the witch-hunt have destabilized the entire world as they prevented Trump from even giving the appearance that he wanted to fix the relationship. Yes, Trump wanted to fix the relationship with Russia but that doesn't make him a Russian operative nor inclined towards favoring Russia; it more so makes him a smart leader.
– Dunk
24 mins ago
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It took like 10 seconds to prove the premise of the question wrong if one were to look at US actions beginning in 2017.
Source: https://www.gop.com/trump-admins-tough-actions-against-russia-rsr/
Through Sanctions And Beefing Up NATO, The Trump Admin Has Held Russia Accountable For Hostile Actions
The Trump Administration has implemented a wide array of sanctions and other punitive actions against Russia for their destabilizing actions and provocations against the U.S. and its allies.
In response to Russian interference in the 2016 election and other malfeasance, the Trump Administration has sanctioned Russian oligarchs and intelligence entities.
Throughout 2017 and 2018, the U.S. sanctioned numerous Russian actors for violating non-proliferation laws by supporting weapons programs in Iran and Syria, and supporting North Korea's development of weapons of mass destruction.
The Trump Administration has issued sanctions against more than one hundred Russian actors and firms for Russia's destabilizing actions in Ukraine and its ongoing occupation of Crimea.
In March 2017, in response to Russia's use of a military-grade chemical weapon in the United Kingdom, the Trump Administration ordered multiple Russian consulates in the United States closed and expelled 60 Russian intelligence officers.
Due to sanctions imposed by the Trump Administration, the Russian economy and Russian geo-economic projects have been severely constrained.
In 2018, as Russian investors reacted to new sanctions, the Russian Ruble made its biggest fall in over three years, and, as of July 2018, is down nearly nine percent against the dollar.
As a part of its sanctions against Russia, the United States has prevented numerous companies from partnering with Russian offshore oil projects, denying these projects access to capital and key resources.
The Trump Administration has also opposed Russian President Vladimir Putin's largest geo-economic project, the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which could generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for Russia.
In the wake of Russian provocations, President Trump has exercised U.S. military power and worked to bolster U.S. allies in Europe.
In 2017, President Trump approved the sale of lethal weapons to Ukraine addressing the country's vulnerability to Russian-backed separatists in its eastern provinces.
Under the Trump Administration, Russian mercenaries and other pro-Syrian regime forces attacking U.S. troops in Syria were killed.
The U.S. has increased troops and its military capability in Eastern Europe and dramatically increased training and drills with its NATO partners.
In 2018, the U.S. Department of Defense increased its spending as part of the European Deterrence Initiative by $1.4 billion dollars.
Due to pressure from President Trump, U.S.' NATO allies have increased defense expenditures by five percent.
I didn't read the entire post and this information might be there but Russia has threatened to build high-speed missiles, Trump has told them if they do then he'll be deploying missiles and ramping up troops of his own right on the Russian border.
It is clear that at least for the last 2 years, the premise of the question that the US has not be assertive nor confronted Russia is not true.
3
The question is not whether the U.S. has confronted Russia at all, but rather why it hasn't been more assertive in doing so. Also, I wouldn't exactly call a GOP press release the most reliable of sources on the matter. It may contain some useful information, but it would be much better to find it from a less biased and/or more definitive source.
– reirab
23 mins ago
2
I'm not suggesting that the US has done nothing, or that Trump has done less than Obama (honestly, I'm not trying to pitch this as anti-Trump). However, it seems to me there has been a lack of conviction in general on the part of the US, which is shown by the fact that, in many of these conflicts, Russia is winning /has won. They took Crimea and Ukraine isn't going to get it back. They have won in Syria, as Assad has effectively won the war there. I don't think the US during the Cold War would have 'looked the other way' and given the USSR so many 'easy victories'.
– Time4Tea
21 mins ago
1
@reirab yes, precisely my point. The US did something, but not enough to affect the outcome. The situation in Venezuela is still unfolding, and perhaps we will see the US be more assertive there.
– Time4Tea
19 mins ago
add a comment |
It took like 10 seconds to prove the premise of the question wrong if one were to look at US actions beginning in 2017.
Source: https://www.gop.com/trump-admins-tough-actions-against-russia-rsr/
Through Sanctions And Beefing Up NATO, The Trump Admin Has Held Russia Accountable For Hostile Actions
The Trump Administration has implemented a wide array of sanctions and other punitive actions against Russia for their destabilizing actions and provocations against the U.S. and its allies.
In response to Russian interference in the 2016 election and other malfeasance, the Trump Administration has sanctioned Russian oligarchs and intelligence entities.
Throughout 2017 and 2018, the U.S. sanctioned numerous Russian actors for violating non-proliferation laws by supporting weapons programs in Iran and Syria, and supporting North Korea's development of weapons of mass destruction.
The Trump Administration has issued sanctions against more than one hundred Russian actors and firms for Russia's destabilizing actions in Ukraine and its ongoing occupation of Crimea.
In March 2017, in response to Russia's use of a military-grade chemical weapon in the United Kingdom, the Trump Administration ordered multiple Russian consulates in the United States closed and expelled 60 Russian intelligence officers.
Due to sanctions imposed by the Trump Administration, the Russian economy and Russian geo-economic projects have been severely constrained.
In 2018, as Russian investors reacted to new sanctions, the Russian Ruble made its biggest fall in over three years, and, as of July 2018, is down nearly nine percent against the dollar.
As a part of its sanctions against Russia, the United States has prevented numerous companies from partnering with Russian offshore oil projects, denying these projects access to capital and key resources.
The Trump Administration has also opposed Russian President Vladimir Putin's largest geo-economic project, the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which could generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for Russia.
In the wake of Russian provocations, President Trump has exercised U.S. military power and worked to bolster U.S. allies in Europe.
In 2017, President Trump approved the sale of lethal weapons to Ukraine addressing the country's vulnerability to Russian-backed separatists in its eastern provinces.
Under the Trump Administration, Russian mercenaries and other pro-Syrian regime forces attacking U.S. troops in Syria were killed.
The U.S. has increased troops and its military capability in Eastern Europe and dramatically increased training and drills with its NATO partners.
In 2018, the U.S. Department of Defense increased its spending as part of the European Deterrence Initiative by $1.4 billion dollars.
Due to pressure from President Trump, U.S.' NATO allies have increased defense expenditures by five percent.
I didn't read the entire post and this information might be there but Russia has threatened to build high-speed missiles, Trump has told them if they do then he'll be deploying missiles and ramping up troops of his own right on the Russian border.
It is clear that at least for the last 2 years, the premise of the question that the US has not be assertive nor confronted Russia is not true.
3
The question is not whether the U.S. has confronted Russia at all, but rather why it hasn't been more assertive in doing so. Also, I wouldn't exactly call a GOP press release the most reliable of sources on the matter. It may contain some useful information, but it would be much better to find it from a less biased and/or more definitive source.
– reirab
23 mins ago
2
I'm not suggesting that the US has done nothing, or that Trump has done less than Obama (honestly, I'm not trying to pitch this as anti-Trump). However, it seems to me there has been a lack of conviction in general on the part of the US, which is shown by the fact that, in many of these conflicts, Russia is winning /has won. They took Crimea and Ukraine isn't going to get it back. They have won in Syria, as Assad has effectively won the war there. I don't think the US during the Cold War would have 'looked the other way' and given the USSR so many 'easy victories'.
– Time4Tea
21 mins ago
1
@reirab yes, precisely my point. The US did something, but not enough to affect the outcome. The situation in Venezuela is still unfolding, and perhaps we will see the US be more assertive there.
– Time4Tea
19 mins ago
add a comment |
It took like 10 seconds to prove the premise of the question wrong if one were to look at US actions beginning in 2017.
Source: https://www.gop.com/trump-admins-tough-actions-against-russia-rsr/
Through Sanctions And Beefing Up NATO, The Trump Admin Has Held Russia Accountable For Hostile Actions
The Trump Administration has implemented a wide array of sanctions and other punitive actions against Russia for their destabilizing actions and provocations against the U.S. and its allies.
In response to Russian interference in the 2016 election and other malfeasance, the Trump Administration has sanctioned Russian oligarchs and intelligence entities.
Throughout 2017 and 2018, the U.S. sanctioned numerous Russian actors for violating non-proliferation laws by supporting weapons programs in Iran and Syria, and supporting North Korea's development of weapons of mass destruction.
The Trump Administration has issued sanctions against more than one hundred Russian actors and firms for Russia's destabilizing actions in Ukraine and its ongoing occupation of Crimea.
In March 2017, in response to Russia's use of a military-grade chemical weapon in the United Kingdom, the Trump Administration ordered multiple Russian consulates in the United States closed and expelled 60 Russian intelligence officers.
Due to sanctions imposed by the Trump Administration, the Russian economy and Russian geo-economic projects have been severely constrained.
In 2018, as Russian investors reacted to new sanctions, the Russian Ruble made its biggest fall in over three years, and, as of July 2018, is down nearly nine percent against the dollar.
As a part of its sanctions against Russia, the United States has prevented numerous companies from partnering with Russian offshore oil projects, denying these projects access to capital and key resources.
The Trump Administration has also opposed Russian President Vladimir Putin's largest geo-economic project, the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which could generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for Russia.
In the wake of Russian provocations, President Trump has exercised U.S. military power and worked to bolster U.S. allies in Europe.
In 2017, President Trump approved the sale of lethal weapons to Ukraine addressing the country's vulnerability to Russian-backed separatists in its eastern provinces.
Under the Trump Administration, Russian mercenaries and other pro-Syrian regime forces attacking U.S. troops in Syria were killed.
The U.S. has increased troops and its military capability in Eastern Europe and dramatically increased training and drills with its NATO partners.
In 2018, the U.S. Department of Defense increased its spending as part of the European Deterrence Initiative by $1.4 billion dollars.
Due to pressure from President Trump, U.S.' NATO allies have increased defense expenditures by five percent.
I didn't read the entire post and this information might be there but Russia has threatened to build high-speed missiles, Trump has told them if they do then he'll be deploying missiles and ramping up troops of his own right on the Russian border.
It is clear that at least for the last 2 years, the premise of the question that the US has not be assertive nor confronted Russia is not true.
It took like 10 seconds to prove the premise of the question wrong if one were to look at US actions beginning in 2017.
Source: https://www.gop.com/trump-admins-tough-actions-against-russia-rsr/
Through Sanctions And Beefing Up NATO, The Trump Admin Has Held Russia Accountable For Hostile Actions
The Trump Administration has implemented a wide array of sanctions and other punitive actions against Russia for their destabilizing actions and provocations against the U.S. and its allies.
In response to Russian interference in the 2016 election and other malfeasance, the Trump Administration has sanctioned Russian oligarchs and intelligence entities.
Throughout 2017 and 2018, the U.S. sanctioned numerous Russian actors for violating non-proliferation laws by supporting weapons programs in Iran and Syria, and supporting North Korea's development of weapons of mass destruction.
The Trump Administration has issued sanctions against more than one hundred Russian actors and firms for Russia's destabilizing actions in Ukraine and its ongoing occupation of Crimea.
In March 2017, in response to Russia's use of a military-grade chemical weapon in the United Kingdom, the Trump Administration ordered multiple Russian consulates in the United States closed and expelled 60 Russian intelligence officers.
Due to sanctions imposed by the Trump Administration, the Russian economy and Russian geo-economic projects have been severely constrained.
In 2018, as Russian investors reacted to new sanctions, the Russian Ruble made its biggest fall in over three years, and, as of July 2018, is down nearly nine percent against the dollar.
As a part of its sanctions against Russia, the United States has prevented numerous companies from partnering with Russian offshore oil projects, denying these projects access to capital and key resources.
The Trump Administration has also opposed Russian President Vladimir Putin's largest geo-economic project, the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which could generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for Russia.
In the wake of Russian provocations, President Trump has exercised U.S. military power and worked to bolster U.S. allies in Europe.
In 2017, President Trump approved the sale of lethal weapons to Ukraine addressing the country's vulnerability to Russian-backed separatists in its eastern provinces.
Under the Trump Administration, Russian mercenaries and other pro-Syrian regime forces attacking U.S. troops in Syria were killed.
The U.S. has increased troops and its military capability in Eastern Europe and dramatically increased training and drills with its NATO partners.
In 2018, the U.S. Department of Defense increased its spending as part of the European Deterrence Initiative by $1.4 billion dollars.
Due to pressure from President Trump, U.S.' NATO allies have increased defense expenditures by five percent.
I didn't read the entire post and this information might be there but Russia has threatened to build high-speed missiles, Trump has told them if they do then he'll be deploying missiles and ramping up troops of his own right on the Russian border.
It is clear that at least for the last 2 years, the premise of the question that the US has not be assertive nor confronted Russia is not true.
answered 37 mins ago
DunkDunk
33727
33727
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The question is not whether the U.S. has confronted Russia at all, but rather why it hasn't been more assertive in doing so. Also, I wouldn't exactly call a GOP press release the most reliable of sources on the matter. It may contain some useful information, but it would be much better to find it from a less biased and/or more definitive source.
– reirab
23 mins ago
2
I'm not suggesting that the US has done nothing, or that Trump has done less than Obama (honestly, I'm not trying to pitch this as anti-Trump). However, it seems to me there has been a lack of conviction in general on the part of the US, which is shown by the fact that, in many of these conflicts, Russia is winning /has won. They took Crimea and Ukraine isn't going to get it back. They have won in Syria, as Assad has effectively won the war there. I don't think the US during the Cold War would have 'looked the other way' and given the USSR so many 'easy victories'.
– Time4Tea
21 mins ago
1
@reirab yes, precisely my point. The US did something, but not enough to affect the outcome. The situation in Venezuela is still unfolding, and perhaps we will see the US be more assertive there.
– Time4Tea
19 mins ago
add a comment |
3
The question is not whether the U.S. has confronted Russia at all, but rather why it hasn't been more assertive in doing so. Also, I wouldn't exactly call a GOP press release the most reliable of sources on the matter. It may contain some useful information, but it would be much better to find it from a less biased and/or more definitive source.
– reirab
23 mins ago
2
I'm not suggesting that the US has done nothing, or that Trump has done less than Obama (honestly, I'm not trying to pitch this as anti-Trump). However, it seems to me there has been a lack of conviction in general on the part of the US, which is shown by the fact that, in many of these conflicts, Russia is winning /has won. They took Crimea and Ukraine isn't going to get it back. They have won in Syria, as Assad has effectively won the war there. I don't think the US during the Cold War would have 'looked the other way' and given the USSR so many 'easy victories'.
– Time4Tea
21 mins ago
1
@reirab yes, precisely my point. The US did something, but not enough to affect the outcome. The situation in Venezuela is still unfolding, and perhaps we will see the US be more assertive there.
– Time4Tea
19 mins ago
3
3
The question is not whether the U.S. has confronted Russia at all, but rather why it hasn't been more assertive in doing so. Also, I wouldn't exactly call a GOP press release the most reliable of sources on the matter. It may contain some useful information, but it would be much better to find it from a less biased and/or more definitive source.
– reirab
23 mins ago
The question is not whether the U.S. has confronted Russia at all, but rather why it hasn't been more assertive in doing so. Also, I wouldn't exactly call a GOP press release the most reliable of sources on the matter. It may contain some useful information, but it would be much better to find it from a less biased and/or more definitive source.
– reirab
23 mins ago
2
2
I'm not suggesting that the US has done nothing, or that Trump has done less than Obama (honestly, I'm not trying to pitch this as anti-Trump). However, it seems to me there has been a lack of conviction in general on the part of the US, which is shown by the fact that, in many of these conflicts, Russia is winning /has won. They took Crimea and Ukraine isn't going to get it back. They have won in Syria, as Assad has effectively won the war there. I don't think the US during the Cold War would have 'looked the other way' and given the USSR so many 'easy victories'.
– Time4Tea
21 mins ago
I'm not suggesting that the US has done nothing, or that Trump has done less than Obama (honestly, I'm not trying to pitch this as anti-Trump). However, it seems to me there has been a lack of conviction in general on the part of the US, which is shown by the fact that, in many of these conflicts, Russia is winning /has won. They took Crimea and Ukraine isn't going to get it back. They have won in Syria, as Assad has effectively won the war there. I don't think the US during the Cold War would have 'looked the other way' and given the USSR so many 'easy victories'.
– Time4Tea
21 mins ago
1
1
@reirab yes, precisely my point. The US did something, but not enough to affect the outcome. The situation in Venezuela is still unfolding, and perhaps we will see the US be more assertive there.
– Time4Tea
19 mins ago
@reirab yes, precisely my point. The US did something, but not enough to affect the outcome. The situation in Venezuela is still unfolding, and perhaps we will see the US be more assertive there.
– Time4Tea
19 mins ago
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Before someone tries to answer this question with conspiracy theories about Donald Trump being under control of Russia, note that all the examples mentioned in the question happened under Obama.
– Philipp♦
6 hours ago
1
On what basis do you assume that US policy should be more aggressive than it is currently? Are you comparing US policy towards the Soviet Union during the Cold War to its current policy toward Russia? Or are you comparing with US policy toward other authoritarian countries?
– Brian Z
6 hours ago
1
I don't see how this question is much better than, say politics.stackexchange.com/questions/7721/…
– Fizz
5 hours ago
2
I don't think this is POB per se. Indeed, the US is a democratic country and much of the decision-making process is public (e.g. debates by politicians). An answer can certainly be based on that (to answer, ask yourself these questions: do politicians debate the issue(s)? What is the result of the debate there is? Are any issues in the news not debated by politicians?). @Fizz I think it's easier to analyse the American decision-making than it is to analyse the Russian process (even if you understand both countries' languages).
– JJJ
5 hours ago
4
@Philipp: The Maduro assistance was within the past month, but otherwise you are correct.
– hszmv
4 hours ago