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Decide between Polyglossia and Babel for LuaLaTeX in 2019

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Which are the key questions one has to ask to decide between Polyglossia and Babel for a LuaLaTeX project in 2019?

There has been a similar, more general question in 2012, but the packages have changed a lot in the meantime. Hence I open a new, more specific question.

Can we reduce it to a check list like

Use package A, if you need

• utf-8 characters


• right to left support

Use package B, if you need

• package foo, because A breaks foo

luatex babel polyglossia incompatibility comparison

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  Would you be OK with expanding the question to XeLaTeX as well, so this question is truly a more modern version of the other one or do you think it would be more useful to have a separate XeLaTeX question (I don't know if there are relevant differences between the two, but I think babel's new RTL support works better for LuaLaTeX than XeLaTeX, though I could be completely wrong.)
  
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  For packages like csquotes and biblatex, but also some others like ctan.org/pkg/tracklang and packages using it polyglossia has the disadvantage that it does not expose language variants in a way that can be picked up easily by those packages. That means that there are some rough edges with dialect forms (english, british, american; ngerman, german, naustrian, ...). See for example tex.stackexchange.com/q/432347/35864. Most of those packages won't exactly break with polyglossia, but they work better/smoother with babel.
  
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  I don't think there is any reason to use polyglossia over babel for lualatex.
  
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  @moewe I did not mention XeLaTeX, because I thought that hardly anyone would start a new project with XeLaTeX in 2019. But if there are really no differences, we can expand it later. If there are differences it would be better to have a separate question for XeLaTeX. So that it fits better to the sx scheme.
  
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  @DavidPurton Could you explain why, so that the reader can learn something from it?
  
  – Jonas Stein
  23 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

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Which are the key questions one has to ask to decide between Polyglossia and Babel for a LuaLaTeX project in 2019?

There has been a similar, more general question in 2012, but the packages have changed a lot in the meantime. Hence I open a new, more specific question.

Can we reduce it to a check list like

Use package A, if you need

• utf-8 characters


• right to left support

Use package B, if you need

• package foo, because A breaks foo

luatex babel polyglossia incompatibility comparison

share|improve this question

asked 48 mins ago

Jonas SteinJonas Stein

3,22342644

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Would you be OK with expanding the question to XeLaTeX as well, so this question is truly a more modern version of the other one or do you think it would be more useful to have a separate XeLaTeX question (I don't know if there are relevant differences between the two, but I think babel's new RTL support works better for LuaLaTeX than XeLaTeX, though I could be completely wrong.)
  
  – moewe
  40 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  For packages like csquotes and biblatex, but also some others like ctan.org/pkg/tracklang and packages using it polyglossia has the disadvantage that it does not expose language variants in a way that can be picked up easily by those packages. That means that there are some rough edges with dialect forms (english, british, american; ngerman, german, naustrian, ...). See for example tex.stackexchange.com/q/432347/35864. Most of those packages won't exactly break with polyglossia, but they work better/smoother with babel.
  
  – moewe
  35 mins ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I don't think there is any reason to use polyglossia over babel for lualatex.
  
  – David Purton
  29 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @moewe I did not mention XeLaTeX, because I thought that hardly anyone would start a new project with XeLaTeX in 2019. But if there are really no differences, we can expand it later. If there are differences it would be better to have a separate question for XeLaTeX. So that it fits better to the sx scheme.
  
  – Jonas Stein
  25 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @DavidPurton Could you explain why, so that the reader can learn something from it?
  
  – Jonas Stein
  23 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

Which are the key questions one has to ask to decide between Polyglossia and Babel for a LuaLaTeX project in 2019?

There has been a similar, more general question in 2012, but the packages have changed a lot in the meantime. Hence I open a new, more specific question.

Can we reduce it to a check list like

Use package A, if you need

• utf-8 characters


• right to left support

Use package B, if you need

• package foo, because A breaks foo

luatex babel polyglossia incompatibility comparison

share|improve this question

asked 48 mins ago

Jonas SteinJonas Stein

3,22342644

share|improve this question

asked 48 mins ago

Jonas SteinJonas Stein

3,22342644

share|improve this question

asked 48 mins ago

Jonas SteinJonas Stein

3,22342644

asked 48 mins ago

Jonas SteinJonas Stein

3,22342644

asked 48 mins ago

Jonas SteinJonas Stein

3,22342644

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There are 79 language definition files (gloss-XX) in the polyglossia folder. For a thorough comparision you would have to compare for every language how good the gloss-file is, if it works with lualatex, if babel provide definitions for this language too and how good it works with lualatex. And naturally you also need to check if babel knows language which polyglossia doesn't have. That's a lot work which I won't do (but it is known that the french module is clearly better in babel).

For all language relevant to me I prefer today babel over polyglossia. Even more if I use lualatex as babel has more lualatex specific code (polyglossia has been developed with xelatex in mind).
babel is better maintained and its interface for other packages which need language support (biblatex) is better.

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There are 79 language definition files (gloss-XX) in the polyglossia folder. For a thorough comparision you would have to compare for every language how good the gloss-file is, if it works with lualatex, if babel provide definitions for this language too and how good it works with lualatex. And naturally you also need to check if babel knows language which polyglossia doesn't have. That's a lot work which I won't do (but it is known that the french module is clearly better in babel).

For all language relevant to me I prefer today babel over polyglossia. Even more if I use lualatex as babel has more lualatex specific code (polyglossia has been developed with xelatex in mind).
babel is better maintained and its interface for other packages which need language support (biblatex) is better.

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answered 29 mins ago

Ulrike FischerUlrike Fischer

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2

There are 79 language definition files (gloss-XX) in the polyglossia folder. For a thorough comparision you would have to compare for every language how good the gloss-file is, if it works with lualatex, if babel provide definitions for this language too and how good it works with lualatex. And naturally you also need to check if babel knows language which polyglossia doesn't have. That's a lot work which I won't do (but it is known that the french module is clearly better in babel).

For all language relevant to me I prefer today babel over polyglossia. Even more if I use lualatex as babel has more lualatex specific code (polyglossia has been developed with xelatex in mind).
babel is better maintained and its interface for other packages which need language support (biblatex) is better.

share|improve this answer

answered 29 mins ago

Ulrike FischerUlrike Fischer

197k8304690

add a comment | 

There are 79 language definition files (gloss-XX) in the polyglossia folder. For a thorough comparision you would have to compare for every language how good the gloss-file is, if it works with lualatex, if babel provide definitions for this language too and how good it works with lualatex. And naturally you also need to check if babel knows language which polyglossia doesn't have. That's a lot work which I won't do (but it is known that the french module is clearly better in babel).

For all language relevant to me I prefer today babel over polyglossia. Even more if I use lualatex as babel has more lualatex specific code (polyglossia has been developed with xelatex in mind).
babel is better maintained and its interface for other packages which need language support (biblatex) is better.

share|improve this answer

answered 29 mins ago

Ulrike FischerUlrike Fischer

197k8304690

share|improve this answer

answered 29 mins ago

Ulrike FischerUlrike Fischer

197k8304690

answered 29 mins ago

Ulrike FischerUlrike Fischer

197k8304690

answered 29 mins ago

Ulrike FischerUlrike Fischer

197k8304690