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How is this pattern from Pompeii also in Cappella Sansevero?


What kind of device is pictured on this Roman mosaic from Villa Tellaro, Sicily?Why are there no photorealistic paintings from the old days?Who is this person?How can I date this carved wood sculpture?Why is this Roman bust identified as Arminius?Who's the artist behind this popular painting?Why was galena used as a black pigment, when soot is more black and also more abundant?Is this painting by a famous artist?Can anyone help identify this painting? (Western, representative, c19-c21)Did Cimabue also paint the Last Supper?













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The labyrinth tiles in Capella Sansevero where built between the mid 1760s to c. 1771 (according to http://www.museosansevero.it/floor/?lang=en). They look like this:
Sansevero floor tiles



I saw the same pattern in Villa dei Misteri in Pompeii. Here's a picture:
Villa dei Misterii Fresco



The patterns are almost the same, and it seems unlikely to be a coincidence, specially when both buildings are quite close.



As far as I can find, the Villa was not excavated after 1909, so it would not have been known when the Capella was built. From what I've read, several buildings in Pompeii were excavated around this time, but the frescoes of these places were removed and the buildings buried again. Since the fresco in Villa is in great condition and relatively far away from the rest of Pompeii, it seems unlikely that it was unearthed and buried.



Maybe this is a somewhat common pattern and could have been found somewhere else? Or is it just a coincidence?










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  • I'm assuming your assumption is correct, and that the pattern exists/ed elsewhere.

    – Orangesandlemons
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  • The problem is with your assumption that it's unlikely to be a coincidence. Such patterns are fairly obvious, and likely to be independently developed.

    – jamesqf
    5 hours ago















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The labyrinth tiles in Capella Sansevero where built between the mid 1760s to c. 1771 (according to http://www.museosansevero.it/floor/?lang=en). They look like this:
Sansevero floor tiles



I saw the same pattern in Villa dei Misteri in Pompeii. Here's a picture:
Villa dei Misterii Fresco



The patterns are almost the same, and it seems unlikely to be a coincidence, specially when both buildings are quite close.



As far as I can find, the Villa was not excavated after 1909, so it would not have been known when the Capella was built. From what I've read, several buildings in Pompeii were excavated around this time, but the frescoes of these places were removed and the buildings buried again. Since the fresco in Villa is in great condition and relatively far away from the rest of Pompeii, it seems unlikely that it was unearthed and buried.



Maybe this is a somewhat common pattern and could have been found somewhere else? Or is it just a coincidence?










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  • I'm assuming your assumption is correct, and that the pattern exists/ed elsewhere.

    – Orangesandlemons
    15 hours ago











  • The problem is with your assumption that it's unlikely to be a coincidence. Such patterns are fairly obvious, and likely to be independently developed.

    – jamesqf
    5 hours ago













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The labyrinth tiles in Capella Sansevero where built between the mid 1760s to c. 1771 (according to http://www.museosansevero.it/floor/?lang=en). They look like this:
Sansevero floor tiles



I saw the same pattern in Villa dei Misteri in Pompeii. Here's a picture:
Villa dei Misterii Fresco



The patterns are almost the same, and it seems unlikely to be a coincidence, specially when both buildings are quite close.



As far as I can find, the Villa was not excavated after 1909, so it would not have been known when the Capella was built. From what I've read, several buildings in Pompeii were excavated around this time, but the frescoes of these places were removed and the buildings buried again. Since the fresco in Villa is in great condition and relatively far away from the rest of Pompeii, it seems unlikely that it was unearthed and buried.



Maybe this is a somewhat common pattern and could have been found somewhere else? Or is it just a coincidence?










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The labyrinth tiles in Capella Sansevero where built between the mid 1760s to c. 1771 (according to http://www.museosansevero.it/floor/?lang=en). They look like this:
Sansevero floor tiles



I saw the same pattern in Villa dei Misteri in Pompeii. Here's a picture:
Villa dei Misterii Fresco



The patterns are almost the same, and it seems unlikely to be a coincidence, specially when both buildings are quite close.



As far as I can find, the Villa was not excavated after 1909, so it would not have been known when the Capella was built. From what I've read, several buildings in Pompeii were excavated around this time, but the frescoes of these places were removed and the buildings buried again. Since the fresco in Villa is in great condition and relatively far away from the rest of Pompeii, it seems unlikely that it was unearthed and buried.



Maybe this is a somewhat common pattern and could have been found somewhere else? Or is it just a coincidence?







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  • I'm assuming your assumption is correct, and that the pattern exists/ed elsewhere.

    – Orangesandlemons
    15 hours ago











  • The problem is with your assumption that it's unlikely to be a coincidence. Such patterns are fairly obvious, and likely to be independently developed.

    – jamesqf
    5 hours ago

















  • I'm assuming your assumption is correct, and that the pattern exists/ed elsewhere.

    – Orangesandlemons
    15 hours ago











  • The problem is with your assumption that it's unlikely to be a coincidence. Such patterns are fairly obvious, and likely to be independently developed.

    – jamesqf
    5 hours ago
















I'm assuming your assumption is correct, and that the pattern exists/ed elsewhere.

– Orangesandlemons
15 hours ago





I'm assuming your assumption is correct, and that the pattern exists/ed elsewhere.

– Orangesandlemons
15 hours ago













The problem is with your assumption that it's unlikely to be a coincidence. Such patterns are fairly obvious, and likely to be independently developed.

– jamesqf
5 hours ago





The problem is with your assumption that it's unlikely to be a coincidence. Such patterns are fairly obvious, and likely to be independently developed.

– jamesqf
5 hours ago










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These are meander patterns that had many variations and were very common in classical Greek and Roman art. The Romans took them from the Greeks and made their own variations, and in turn they were used by neo-classical architects and artists in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries



There is an interesting article on how they work here



I believe (I'll try to find a reference) that Roman builders and painters would use pattern books for this sort of thing






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  • In particular, the swastika-like device was commonly used in these patterns and concentric squares aren't exactly a trademark-able idea.

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These are meander patterns that had many variations and were very common in classical Greek and Roman art. The Romans took them from the Greeks and made their own variations, and in turn they were used by neo-classical architects and artists in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries



There is an interesting article on how they work here



I believe (I'll try to find a reference) that Roman builders and painters would use pattern books for this sort of thing






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These are meander patterns that had many variations and were very common in classical Greek and Roman art. The Romans took them from the Greeks and made their own variations, and in turn they were used by neo-classical architects and artists in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries



There is an interesting article on how they work here



I believe (I'll try to find a reference) that Roman builders and painters would use pattern books for this sort of thing






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These are meander patterns that had many variations and were very common in classical Greek and Roman art. The Romans took them from the Greeks and made their own variations, and in turn they were used by neo-classical architects and artists in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries



There is an interesting article on how they work here



I believe (I'll try to find a reference) that Roman builders and painters would use pattern books for this sort of thing






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These are meander patterns that had many variations and were very common in classical Greek and Roman art. The Romans took them from the Greeks and made their own variations, and in turn they were used by neo-classical architects and artists in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries



There is an interesting article on how they work here



I believe (I'll try to find a reference) that Roman builders and painters would use pattern books for this sort of thing







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